February 27, 2014
From Andrew Sullivan:
…As for the case for allowing fundamentalists to discriminate against anyone associated with what they regard as sin, I’m much more sympathetic. I favor maximal liberty in these cases. The idea that you should respond to a hurtful refusal to bake a wedding cake by suing the bakers is a real stretch to me. Yes, they may simply be homophobic, rather than attached to a coherent religious worldview. But so what? There are plenty of non-homophobic bakers in Arizona. If we decide that our only response to discrimination is a lawsuit, we gays are ratcheting up a culture war we would do better to leave alone. We run the risk of becoming just as intolerant as the anti-gay bigots, if we seek to coerce people into tolerance. If we value our freedom as gay people in living our lives the way we wish, we should defend that same freedom to sincere religious believers and also, yes, to bigots and haters. You do not conquer intolerance with intolerance. As a gay Christian, I’m particularly horrified by the attempt to force anyone to do anything they really feel violates their conscience, sense of self, or even just comfort.
Posted by Jerome Doolittle at February 27, 2014 12:05 PM
So I’m with Big Gay Al, and always have been. Let bigots be bigots. Let gays be gays. And when those values conflict, lets do all we can not to force the issue. We’re living in a time of drastic change with respect to homosexuality. It is perfectly understandable that many traditional-minded people, especially in the older age brackets, are disconcerted, upset and confused. So give them some space; instead of suing them, talk to them. Try seeing things from their point of view. Appeal to their better nature as Christians. And start defusing by your tolerance the paranoia and hysteria Roger Ailes lives off…
I think Mr. Sullivan doesn't understand the way bigotry works. The more rope you give to bigots, the more people they HANG with said rope. The more you enable hateful nasty behavior to be countenanced as something legitimate (under any label including religion), the more of it there will be.
It is misogynistic bigots forcing birth on women whenever they choose -- women then struggling with a child they didn't want, couldn't afford, and sometimes cannot feed without starving OTHER children.
The problem with Sullivan's "live and let live" is that the bigots of the world do NOT intend to do the same; they will start with denial of ordinary services to show how asinine they can be, and if enabled, follow with stoning in the streets and worse.
Freedom of religion means a freedom to BELIEVE what you want, but NOT a freedom to ENFORCE your beliefs upon others in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.
I think it sounds like shit that Andrew Sullivan would say.
The night of breaking glass must be lost on Andrew. I'm sure their is a hate group near him already planning just such an event. All they've got to do is follow the Operation Rescue template Andrew.
Homophoby is no question of age, Jerry. My mother (92) has been close friends with a homosexual man for almost thirty years. They exchange mails and letters every week and visit whenever they can (which is not so easy halfway around the globe). Friendship and love happen between people, not sexes.
"Phobia" means fear, and courage means to overcome one's fears ... But I have yet to see a courageous bigot. They want to inflict their own fears on everybody by sheer force of numbers.
Well, this may be democratic in a worst case scenario ...