June 20, 2013
Oh For a Guardian!

Too many wonderful perspectives on the NSA Prism story to comment on all of them, but some few require mention or at least quoting.

It’s fascinating to me that the British press is apparently ignoring Snowden’s revelations about Prism spying on attendees at the recent G20 meeting in the UK. Every major news outlet around the world talks about it except the primary organs of the British press. What’s up with that?

Is it a collective belief among a largely right-of-centre press that The Guardian is beyond the pale? This view emerged in a Daily Mail piece by Stephen Glover in which he spoke of the paper being so “driven by its own obsessions” as to “carelessly reveal the important secrets of the British government.”

The Mail holds aloft the banner of press freedom when citing the public’s right to know about Hugh Grant’s private life, but it appears to find it unacceptable for a paper to inform the people that their privacy has been compromised by their own government.

Damn, I’m with you on that! I wish we had a newspaper like The Guardian in the US, but I suppose that would be next to impossible here.

Then there’s this summary of the reality of cooperation between tech companies and the NSA which speaks for itself.

Christopher Soghoian, a senior policy analyst studying technological surveillance at the American Civil Liberties Union, said the relationship between the tech giants and the NSA has a fundamental — and ironic — flaw that guarantees the Prism scandal is unlikely to be the last time tensions surface between the two.

The US spying apparatus and Silicon Valley’s top tech firms are basically in the same business, collecting information on people, he said. “It’s a weird symbiotic relationship. It’s not that Facebook and Google are trying to build a surveillance system but they effectively have,” he said. “If they wanted to, Google and Facebook could use technology to tackle the issue, anonymizing and deleting their customers’ information. But that information is how they make their money, so that is never going to happen.”

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Posted by Chuck Dupree at June 20, 2013 05:31 PM
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Some strange things went on today. Here's my synopsis. Google around, there's more.

The surveillance state has failed. It started with this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DmN80yi5mo

Tice may be legit. He told us what Snowden told us years ago but was fired by the NSA. He was a serial whistleblower but sometime good people are.

Slate said so in 2006: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2006/01/the_professional_paranoid.html

Fox news even reported it.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/06/20/nsa-whistleblower-nsa-spying-%E2%80%93-and-blackmailing-%E2%80%93-top-government-officials-and-military

That morphed into a story today that Obama used blackmail via the spying to blackmail Roberts to keep healthcare.

On top of that, our journalists are afraid to report anything, numerous stories on the AP reporters being muzzled. Other journalists afraid to report. The fourth estate is muzzled.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023056122

Therre are also stories of wars between NSA and CIA floating around.

Most of this fueled by the fact that the surveillance state is now known. Can you imagine living under this kind of hysteria from now on? Not to mention what could be done as Daniel Ellsberg describes:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/12/...

Say Kaput to the program. Or I sure hope so.


Yesterday many German legislators were blasting the program as Stasi like or worse than Stasi. They should know.

There is talk of building a fortress around Europe to avoid it.

I was heavily tweeting so I watched all this in real time as the stories kept popping up. By far the most reported is by right wingers that Obama used spying to blackmail Roberts into voting for health care. Nothing to back that up. But google it. A few hours ago none of it existed until Tice story started getting traction.

If our surveillance state survives I'll be surprised. But I won't want to live here and will get out if I can figure out a way. I won't live under a Stasi.

Posted by: noseyparkerunit on June 20, 2013 9:21 PM

This links to an audio file of Russ Tice interviewed from a Sibel Edmond related site, boiling frogs that's 1 hour 20 minutes or so, so don't click on it if you can't play it. mp3
It was a little tough to find.
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/podpress_trac/web/20927/0/BF.0112.Tice_20130617.mp3

Interesting audio he talks about Snowden, liars like Clapper and the rest of that crowd that testified the other day. Lots more. Interesting stuff.

Posted by: noseyparkerunit on June 20, 2013 10:02 PM

Chuck you should take a look at cryptome. Thy put up a horde of these ghastly "spy guide" things. Included was a "White House Spy Guide". Those bastards have been doing it, spying on and probably what Russ Tice said, blackmailing govt officials. They also have hordes of US company spy guides. And it all is domestic US stuff. Maybe they spied on other countries,but they must have been damn busy bothering legitimate government officials.

Posted by: noseyparkerunit on June 22, 2013 1:33 AM

Indeed, we've had Cryptome blogrolled for quite a while, it's a great source.

Posted by: Chuck Dupree on June 22, 2013 2:23 AM

I connected with Greenwald and he says some of the material they had got squelched. No matter what, it's still mainstream media. The guy at Cryptome was more nonchalant, I can't figure him out, but he says Snowdens a hero and he should come back. The old retired spooks you see a lot Ray whateverk, Drake, some others all say he's done a great thing and to come back and I presume there's enough for criminal charges that he'll be kind of like Drake, a slap on the wrist but the prosecution will take a while and it won't be under what Digby calls our Stasi. And you know my family connection with the Stasi and the hurt I used to always see in my grandfathers eyes over his family lost. I detest that kind of governing and we now live under something akin to it and fascism. Corporate faxist socialist surveillance mix.

Read Digby's piece. She nailed it. http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/this-really-is-big-brother-leak-nobodys.html

Posted by: @noseyparkerunit on June 22, 2013 7:53 PM
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